German Modelling

[Dikitriki]

If you're content to use enamel paint, Revell offer it as a standard colour. It works pretty well through an airbrush or normal sable paintbrush as these photos of randomly-pleasing items of my P87 stock are trying to show:

Steph

Thanks Steph,

I'm inclined to go for celly as it's more durable, especially on something as exposed as the steps on what is a very heavy and awkward to hold model.

However, I'm sure that there will be other bits of touching up, and the Revell tin will no doubt save complex masking and spraying.

Your P87 stuff looks lovely - good in the pictures (old pictures?) but better in the flesh from what I saw yesterday.

Richard

 

[Steph Dale]

Yeah - very old pictures which do need re-shooting. The problem is that it's towards the bottom of a very long list of 'to-do's...

Steph

 

[Dikitriki]

Nice tip for the RAL red, been looking for that colour for a few weeks now, just need to find the diesel red, turquoise and cream, electric blue and green, TEE red and cream RAL numbers.....after my CSX projects of course

Mick,

http://www.bahnstatistik.de/RAL.htm

You have no excuse now . I should say that Roger initially provided me the link and the appropriate translations. I'd be lost on the German front without his freely given input

Richard

 

[JimG]

Mick,
I should say that Roger initially provided me the link and the appropriate translations. I'd be lost on the German front without his freely given input

Richard,

I added Google Translate to my copy of Firefox and it seems to do a good job of translating web page content. My only problem is knowing enough of whatever language I am searching in to find the page in the first place.

Jim.

 

[mickoo]

Richard,

Cheers, I think that's going to take some deciphering, I didn't realise there were so many variations.

I keep looking at the trumpeter kits it wouldnt take too much to drop in wheels axles and etched valve gear and maybe etched frames using the kit ones to copy. On the downside they are 1:35 and not 1:32, so, very left field would be to scale off them and hit Autocad

Once the W1 frames come back I'll have a better understanding of complex integrating parts and fitting

 

[mickoo]

Here's another, go to the bottom of the page for his Spur 1 detailed photo albums.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/isteam/sets/with/72157650268234862

There's some other nice 1:1 train detail images in other albums as well.

Enjoy.

 

[Scanlon]

Too good to miss, a KM1 Class 50 2-10-0. This model has been out of production for a little while but occasionally they crop up on a well known site.

The model is of 50 560 which was almost unique in Germany for being based at one shed for most of its entire service life, Rottweil from 1944 to 1972. There are minor inaccuracies for this particular loco but I can live with them. Yet again a magnificent model.

 

[Steph Dale]

Meh, tender cab BR50...
A lovely model by the looks of it...

 

[adrian]

Meh, tender cab BR50.

- what was the purpose of that? Not really studied teutonic design (i.e. not looked at it at all!) but still puzzled why you'd stick a cab in the middle of a tender. Did it have some "auto-train" fittings for running in tender first? - if so why not mount the cab at the rear of the tender instead of in the middle (ish!).

 

[AJC]

- what was the purpose of that? Not really studied teutonic design (i.e. not looked at it at all!) but still puzzled why you'd stick a cab in the middle of a tender. Did it have some "auto-train" fittings for running in tender first? - if so why not mount the cab at the rear of the tender instead of in the middle (ish!).

I must admit to wondering the exact same thing, I mean, it looks funky, but to what end? Still, it's a magnificent looking thing, like a 9F on steroids and a serious gym habit.

Adam

 

[Steph Dale]

In German practice post war (i.e. with continuous air brake) the guard usually rode in a van at the head of the train, rather than at the rear.
DB worked out that they could save cash and improve flexibility by building the guard's accommodation in to the tender. There were a number of styles, this version with the BR50 being the most populous. In reality they were cold and drafty, so quickly fell out of use.
The DR, in the East, decided to refurbish their prewar vans.
Steph

 

[Steph Dale]

Oh, and this is the German equivalent of a Black 5. The universal do anything, go anywhere loco. The heavy freight equivalent is the BR44.

As far as I can tell there were no mixed-traffic 4-6-0s built from the mid 1920's, which is how the various types of pre-grouping BR38 survived in to the 1970's

Steph

 

[adrian]

In German practice post war (i.e. with continuous air brake) the guard usually rode in a van at the head of the train, rather than at the rear.
DB worked out that they could save cash and improve flexibility by building the guard's accommodation in to the tender.

Thanks for the info - but why in the middle of the tender? Was this loco used purely for freight duties? If not then why not put it at the rear with a corridor connection so that in case of an emergency or comfort break etc. the guard could walk into the passenger area?

 

[mickoo]

Adrian, it would be for freight guards in place of a guards van, passenger guards would travel in the train like they do in the UK.

Steph, I think the mixed traffic bracket would be covered by their larger tank engines they built? and would not the 8F be a better parallel to the Br.50, being biased more toward freight than a Black 5. Either way, they had thousands of them after the war, 44's, 50's, and of course 52's in fact maybe more 2-10-0's than we had total in the UK, must be near 8-9000 of these locos left after the war?

 

[Steph Dale]

Mick,
Certainly many thousands of German 2-10-0s were built, but not all remained in Germany after the second world war. The BR52, an austerity version of the BR50, ended up being the standard loco in most of Eastern Europe.
I'm going to stick with the BR50 as the general user loco, certainly it won't be a tank engine as, in relative terms, there weren't that many of them. It can't be any of the BR23 types either for the same reason.
Steph

 

[mickoo]

Steph,

Can't argue with that reasoning

I think after the war they were left with so many they had no choice but to use them for just about everything they could .

 

[Richard Spoors]

Most branch lines in Germany used tank engines for their passenger trains and freight was divided between these BR64 and BR86 locos and the class 50. In the main using a 2-6-2 or 2-8-2 tank engine, or the BR50 was a function of the permitted axle loading, a bit like the RA loading we had. The DRG introduced a 2-6-2 in 1941 (class 23.0) but only 2 were built and it was not until the 1950's that the
DB class 23 and the DR class 35 were built for local passenger trains.

 

[SimonT]

must be near 8-9000 of these locos left after the war

I can't believe my former employers missed that many!

 

[Richard Spoors]

Following posts by Steph and Mick I have browsed my 1950 DR and DB stock books. I have always been interested in the division of locomotives after 1945 between East and West Germany. In 1950 there were 330 BR50s and 808 BR52s working in the east (DR). DB had 2424 BR50s but only 527 BR52s, of which just 203 were operational. What did surprise me was that at that time the second largest class of operational locos on DB was the ex Prussian BR38 4-6-0s, built between 1906 and 1923, of which there were 1249 with the last of class being withdrawn in 1974.

 

[Scanlon]

A few more pictures of 50 560, once I've reinstated the numberplate on the other cabside there will be some photos of the drivers side.
The tender cab

Smokebox and some boiler detail, the bell was to be used on country lines instead of the whistle so as not to scare horses!

Boiler detail from above

The leading dome is the equivalent of the top feed, next is a sand box followed by the dome under which is the regulator and finally the second sandbox. The cylinder in front of the chimney is the preheater which is fed with cold water from a feed pump and heated by as much exhaust steam as possible. Enjoy.